| Mark | 31.07.08, 10:36, Beiträge: 107 |  |  |  |  |
Dear Daniel,
what a sudden onslaught on the handsome and juvenile moderator? I am still in the prime of life.
Dentures are a solution of last resort, my dear.
I am still a spring chicken, dear. I bone a chicken to have a flawless picture on the plate.
In my book, you`re not chicken-hearted:-)))
But as my mother used to say - don`t count your chickens before they`re hatched:-)))
Anyway, you can still play chicken, dear:-)))
Do not ever chicken out.
For lunch I`d suggest some hot chicken gizzard stew today:-))
Enjoy!
Mark
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Original geschrieben von Daniel290676
I prefer to cook my food with bones and to gnaw the meat of the bones. I am 32. I still have sort of healthy teeth. I suppose you at your age simply must take out the bones due to a lack of an original pair of teeth.
*devilishgrin*
Daniel
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| Daniel290676 | 31.07.08, 08:39, Beiträge: 13 | | | | |
I prefer to cook my food with bones and to gnaw the meat of the bones. I am 32. I still have sort of healthy teeth. I suppose you at your age simply must take out the bones due to a lack of an original pair of teeth.
*devilishgrin*
Daniel
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| Mark | 30.07.08, 23:13, Beiträge: 107 | | | | |
Dear Daniel,
see, the difference is that if I were to serve chicken - I`d serve it without bones:-)))
Noboby would choke on bones:-)))
We`d have a perfect boneless dinner for two:-))))
By the way, I love chicken too.
Zitat:
Original geschrieben von Daniel290676
Mark, too bad you didn't enjoy me cooking chicken again. Sorry you were choking on that chicken bone.
But still, I will be choking my chicken anytime I feel like I should. *laughter*
Now it is becoming dangerous to translate the above.
Daniel
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| Daniel290676 | 30.07.08, 18:31, Beiträge: 13 | | | | |
Mark, too bad you didn't enjoy me cooking chicken again. Sorry you were choking on that chicken bone.
But still, I will be choking my chicken anytime I feel like I should. *laughter*
Now it is becoming dangerous to translate the above.
Daniel
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| Mark | 30.07.08, 15:28, Beiträge: 107 | | | | |
Dear Readers,
I speak several languages and don`t want to defend any of the languages I speak.
Sure, we don`t have der, die, das, but we have many other misleading examples in English.
I always ask you to work.
But:
I am always asking you to work.
Am and always and the continuous form means - es geht mir auf den Wecker.
You are always cooking chicken. Means - ich habe die Nase voll von Huhn!
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| queeny | 30.07.08, 14:04, Beiträge: 11 | | | | |
hi all!
speaking of grammar…
I think that russian grammar is a horror. russian have no artikles but a heck of a lot of prefixes, suffixes, special endings for the male and female forms, for plural and singular and again here the distinction between m and f, plus the tenses and again the distinction between m and f and so on and so on. As a native speaker of russian and german I can say that russian grammar is definitly much more difficult than german is. But at the same time I would say that german grammar is much more difficult than english. I think most of us - english learners - hate tenses. The rest of grammar is actually easy (the emphasis is on "actually"- eigentlich - it's not definitly, so it depends...)
Greetings
Viktoria
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| Susanne_0b741 | 30.07.08, 09:29, Beiträge: 7 | | | | |
Good morning All,
good morning Daniel,
I love "your" word. That's German, isn't it! No other language would torture us with such a word or as a sometimes say to my boss (a Dr.-Ing., engineer): "Here we speak German! What do you want to say (what do you mean)" - he is very good in producing such word as well.
Have a nice day.
Regards
sane
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| Salzburg | 30.07.08, 09:11, Beiträge: 6 | | | | |
that's a good one, Daniel,
good morning everyone out there,
@Mark what about the most evident differences:
* der/die/das vs. the - and this in all grammatical cases
* only capitals for names
* no tendency to reform the spelling rules
best
Adriana
Zitat:
Original geschrieben von Daniel290676
Ok, you asked for it. Which other language can produce words like this one:
Quecksilberthermometeraufhängevorrichtungsreparaturannahmezweigstellenserviceangestellter
And now you.
Daniel
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| Daniel290676 | 29.07.08, 13:58, Beiträge: 13 | | | | |
Ok, you asked for it. Which other language can produce words like this one:
Quecksilberthermometeraufhängevorrichtungsreparaturannahmezweigstellenserviceangestellter
And now you.
Daniel
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| Mark | 29.07.08, 13:37, Beiträge: 107 | | | | |
Dear Daniel,
why do you think German grammar is more difficult than English?
Some examples - if you don`t mind?
Have a nice day!
Hot, isn`t it?:-)))
Mark
Zitat:
Original geschrieben von Daniel290676
Hello, here I am again! :-) Couldn't really find the time and the fun to write while it is so hot. So today, I got up earlier in order to be able to write before the sun drenches all my powers......
Grammar is a funny thing. Almost every foreigner will see that a little bit different when it comes to German, as this must be one of the most difficult western language. Compared to that, English is easy.
So, keep on practicing. The best grammar is the grammar you don't need to think about because it feels right.
"As we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same..."
Daniel
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| Mark | 29.07.08, 13:31, Beiträge: 107 | | | | |
OK, dear sane,
wishing you a lot of success!
Mark
P. S.
But you won`t forget us, will you?:-))))
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Original geschrieben von Susanne_0b741
Good morning Tina,
good morning everybody,
I only work until 1 o'clock lunchtime. Of course I could also reply/follow the conversations from home, but this week I have appointments every afternoon. Therefore, sorry for not replying but I was very busy.
Anyway, I wish everybody a nice and sunny day.
Regards
sane
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| Susanne_0b741 | 29.07.08, 08:53, Beiträge: 7 | | | | |
Good morning Tina,
good morning everybody,
I only work until 1 o'clock lunchtime. Of course I could also reply/follow the conversations from home, but this week I have appointments every afternoon. Therefore, sorry for not replying but I was very busy.
Anyway, I wish everybody a nice and sunny day.
Regards
sane
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| Salzburg | 29.07.08, 08:27, Beiträge: 6 | | | | |
good morning, Daniel, this is a perfect thought to start the day with - and to underline this I will not get annoyed by resending my yesterday's comments again instead of replying to yours ;-)!
have a nice day and enjoy life
best
Tina
Zitat:
Original geschrieben von Daniel290676
"Ten years from now you’ll laugh at whatever’s stressing you out today. So why not laugh now?”
Enjoy your day. Look at the sun, feel its power and suck that power up......enjoy your life.
Daniel
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| Salzburg | 29.07.08, 08:21, Beiträge: 6 | | | | |
hi Sane - it is sunny and hot here, too. I have a great view on the mountains - and everything I see there outside tells me that I should leave early today! Of course I will avoid the old city of Salzburg as there are so many tourists there. On Saturday the famous Salzburg Festival started...
Have a nice day and pleasant evening
Tina
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| Daniel290676 | 29.07.08, 05:12, Beiträge: 13 | | | | |
"Ten years from now you’ll laugh at whatever’s stressing you out today. So why not laugh now?”
Enjoy your day. Look at the sun, feel its power and suck that power up......enjoy your life.
Daniel
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| Daniel290676 | 29.07.08, 05:01, Beiträge: 13 | | | | |
Hello, here I am again! :-) Couldn't really find the time and the fun to write while it is so hot. So today, I got up earlier in order to be able to write before the sun drenches all my powers......
Grammar is a funny thing. Almost every foreigner will see that a little bit different when it comes to German, as this must be one of the most difficult western language. Compared to that, English is easy.
So, keep on practicing. The best grammar is the grammar you don't need to think about because it feels right.
"As we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same..."
Daniel
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| Mark | 29.07.08, 00:34, Beiträge: 107 | | | | |
I do the same when I learn other languages, dear Tanja.
And you? All other Readers here?
Zitat:
Original geschrieben von Tanja_4b277
Hi Sane,
Guess your message is addressed to Marcel, not me.
Anyways, I'm one of those people who are neither able nor willing (anymore) to "study" grammar. Like Mark already said ... words are the really important things!
Ever since I left school (which is quite a while) I started to learn languages the way children are learning their mother tongue, i.e. through listening and imitation. Hence I try to listen to the languages I want to learn (English and Spanish in my case) as often as I possibly can. Digital TV and multi-language DVDs are just as great tools as are audiobooks or interactive CD-ROMs, etc. Reading is also important ... and not to forget actively practising the language, be it in writing or orally when on holidays in the respective countries.
How are you and others approching a foreign language?
Tanja
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| Mark | 29.07.08, 00:30, Beiträge: 107 | | | | |
Yes sane, you`re right!
I also learned French some time ago.
I learned all those unimportant things like Konjunktive - subjunctive - but once I was in Paris I couldn`t order sole - Seezunge with some rocket salad - Rucola Salat:-))))
Zitat:
Original geschrieben von sane
Hi Tanja,
I think Mark is right when he says "forget grammar". The German way of learning a language is to learn grammar and a lot of unimportant vocabulary, but in the end not being able to speak. One of my colleagues once asked me (for his 10 year old daugher)how reported speech is built in French (as decades ago I learned French). Anyway, of course I told him what I knew, but also said: "Super, she knows reported speech but I am sure cannot even say three sentences in French."
I think it is more important to be able to speak and understand.
Regards
sane
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| Mark | 29.07.08, 00:22, Beiträge: 107 | | | | |
Yes, Tina, you`re right.
You feel grammar in a certain way.
Apart from this - no problem if you say "I am going kitchen now".
It could be understood as a joke even:-)))
But there are a lot of differences between British and American English.
For one - I was in the street or I was on the street.
In case someone says it was wrong - say - it was an American version or a British one:-)))
Yours
Mark
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Original geschrieben von Salzburg
hi there,
I do have quite a mixed opinion what is more important words or grammar.
* on one hand you should enjoy speaking in a foreign language and should dare to do so not thinking too much about possible mistakes and all the grammar "behind"
* on the other hand I would not like to sound (exaggerated of course!) like "ich morgen gehen Schule" to someone from e.g. Great Britain.
But I think you also learn grammar by hearing, reading, speaking English not only by drilling rules. In my experience you "feel" grammar in some way the more you are into a language.
all the best from Salzburg,
Tina
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| Mark | 29.07.08, 00:14, Beiträge: 107 | | | | |
you`re right, dear Sane:-))))
Grammar is also important but anyway you express your feelings and happiness in the right way:-)))
I like it:-)))
Mark
Zitat:
Original geschrieben von Susanne_0b741
Hi Tina,
of course grammar is important, but not right at the start. Once one speaks the language a little, one is eager to speak correctly. One looks into the matter / one engages in grammar. And as already said "feels" what is correct.
By the way I live in the north of Germany and IT IS SUNNY!
Regards
sane
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| Mark | 29.07.08, 00:08, Beiträge: 107 | | | | |
Dear Marcel,
sure you`re right as far as grammar is concerned.
And I like your attitude concerning words or creating words as you said.
It`s fun to create new words and everybody should create them.
Doesn`t matter if you`re British or not:-)))
One example could be the word PUT.
The book is unputdownable:-))) So toll, dass ich es nicht weglegen will.
Put it there - I want to work with you. Put it there. Mit Daumen auf einer Fläche drücken als ein Zeichen, dass ein Geschäft zwischen uns klar ist, zustande kommt.
Let`s put off the meeting till tomorrow. Verlegen.
Put on socks, dear. Zieh dir Kondom an.
Anyway, you could use many other variations of this word and people will always understand you.
Drink and drinkable. Drink holder. Drinking binge. Sauferei.
And if you feel like you can create other words with the word DRINK.
But certainly the basic rules of grammar are needed:-)))
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| Salzburg | 28.07.08, 12:46, Beiträge: 6 | | | | |
hi Sane - it is sunny and hot here, too. I have a great view on the mountains - and everything I see there outside tells me that I should leave early today! Of course I will avoid the old city of Salzburg as there are so many tourists there. On Saturday the famous Salzburg Festival started...
Have a nice day and pleasant evening
Tina
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| Susanne_0b741 | 28.07.08, 12:09, Beiträge: 7 | | | | |
Hi Tina,
of course grammar is important, but not right at the start. Once one speaks the language a little, one is eager to speak correctly. One looks into the matter / one engages in grammar. And as already said "feels" what is correct.
By the way I live in the north of Germany and IT IS SUNNY!
Regards
sane
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| Salzburg | 28.07.08, 11:04, Beiträge: 6 | | | | |
hi there,
I do have quite a mixed opinion what is more important words or grammar.
* on one hand you should enjoy speaking in a foreign language and should dare to do so not thinking too much about possible mistakes and all the grammar "behind"
* on the other hand I would not like to sound (exaggerated of course!) like "ich morgen gehen Schule" to someone from e.g. Great Britain.
But I think you also learn grammar by hearing, reading, speaking English not only by drilling rules. In my experience you "feel" grammar in some way the more you are into a language.
all the best from Salzburg,
Tina
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| Susanne_0b741 | 28.07.08, 10:16, Beiträge: 7 | | | | |
Good morning Tanja,
I learned English at school. Later when I was younger (so much younger than today - hmmh, I think that's a song:-)) I was Aupair in London, then in Paris (very nice time). Then went to language school. Nowadays I sometimes read English newspapers, buy English films. I know I won't make friends now when I say: "I don't like American English". But I hardly ever watch or listen to American films.
Regards
sane
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| Tanja_4b277 | 28.07.08, 09:31, Beiträge: 3 | | | | |
Hi Sane,
Guess your message is addressed to Marcel, not me.
Anyways, I'm one of those people who are neither able nor willing (anymore) to "study" grammar. Like Mark already said ... words are the really important things!
Ever since I left school (which is quite a while) I started to learn languages the way children are learning their mother tongue, i.e. through listening and imitation. Hence I try to listen to the languages I want to learn (English and Spanish in my case) as often as I possibly can. Digital TV and multi-language DVDs are just as great tools as are audiobooks or interactive CD-ROMs, etc. Reading is also important ... and not to forget actively practising the language, be it in writing or orally when on holidays in the respective countries.
How are you and others approching a foreign language?
Tanja
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| sane | 28.07.08, 09:19, Beiträge: 5 | | | | |
Hi Tanja,
I think Mark is right when he says "forget grammar". The German way of learning a language is to learn grammar and a lot of unimportant vocabulary, but in the end not being able to speak. One of my colleagues once asked me (for his 10 year old daugher)how reported speech is built in French (as decades ago I learned French). Anyway, of course I told him what I knew, but also said: "Super, she knows reported speech but I am sure cannot even say three sentences in French."
I think it is more important to be able to speak and understand.
Regards
sane
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| sane | 28.07.08, 09:01, Beiträge: 5 | | | | |
Zitat:
Original geschrieben von marcel
Zitat:
Original geschrieben von Mark
Dear Marcel,
you just need more words, that`s all.
Forget that thing called grammar:-)))
When people start talkng and say:
I am washed-up. I didn`t sleep a wink last night.
Job-spill is killing me at the moment.
Our dog died of cancer.
My wife is suffering from splitting headaches.
Would you understand?
That`s what I meant with - you need more words.
Here you can learn a lot.
Please all other Readers - write as often as possibe.
The only chance to learn.
Mark
Hello Mark,
sorry for this terrible delay but I was really busy these days. It is very interesting that you distinguish grammer and words :D
I raelly think that understanding grammer is the key to any language, not even to English. The idioms you mentioned above are very useful but you have to learn them by heart. What about creating words? From my point of view, handeling the derivation of words is also very important, isn't it? If you understand to handle just one derivation corretly, you have "learn" more than just one new vocabulary.
I am very anxious to some replys to this hypothesis :D
Best regards,
Marcel
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| marcel | 27.07.08, 23:08, Beiträge: 3 | | | | |
Zitat:
Original geschrieben von Mark
Dear Marcel,
you just need more words, that`s all.
Forget that thing called grammar:-)))
When people start talkng and say:
I am washed-up. I didn`t sleep a wink last night.
Job-spill is killing me at the moment.
Our dog died of cancer.
My wife is suffering from splitting headaches.
Would you understand?
That`s what I meant with - you need more words.
Here you can learn a lot.
Please all other Readers - write as often as possibe.
The only chance to learn.
Mark
Hello Mark,
sorry for this terrible delay but I was really busy these days. It is very interesting that you distinguish grammer and words :D
I raelly think that understanding grammer is the key to any language, not even to English. The idioms you mentioned above are very useful but you have to learn them by heart. What about creating words? From my point of view, handeling the derivation of words is also very important, isn't it? If you understand to handle just one derivation corretly, you have "learn" more than just one new vocabulary.
I am very anxious to some replys to this hypothesis :D
Best regards,
Marcel
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| Mark | 26.07.08, 14:41, Beiträge: 107 | | | | |
Dear Tanja,
thank you for posting here.
I like your attitude very much.
It`s like:
Make hay while the sun shines.
Das Eisen schmieden, solange es heiß ist.
Waiting for more postings from you:-)))
Mark
Zitat:
Original geschrieben von Tanja_4b277
Hi all,
As I don't want to be one of those 19xx "silent clickers" I just pop in to say "Hi".
I read about this new forum in the business english newsletter some days ago. Fantastic idea!!!
Hope to share lots of laughs with all of you from now on.
Tanja
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